Hey-Hoy!

[Kim Holviala]

What’s happening with gopher lately? I’m too lazy to look at the archives so I’ll just ask :-)

As for me… I was in prison for a while because the local customs thought I was the biggest drug lord ever in the history of Finland - unfortunately for them I was just a slightly alcoholic nerd coding highly suspicious “C" projects in my free time :D. “Gopher” must have an alternative meaning, right? Can’t be that old protocol - must have something to do with drugs, right? :D :D :D

This is me: https://www.deepdotweb.com/2017/11/10/finnish-police-quietly-seize-darknet-imageboard/

Also - does anyone happen to have the latest sources (git repo clone) to Gophernicus? I had some things I needed to fix but the original sources have been all confiscated for being part of the suspected drug ring I apparently ran LOL OMG WTF :D



- Kim

[Alex Schröder]

I've written a Gopher Server wrapper for Oddmuse and use it for my personal
wiki. [1]
Then I got interested in adding a TLS layer and did that, so this should
also work. [2]
I needed some clients to test it, so I added TLS to the Emacs Gopher
client. [3]
Right now this branch only does everything using TLS, there is no switching
back and forth.
I would have liked to work on that, but then I saw a new command-line
client written in Python. [4]
I added TLS to VF-1. Basically users get a switch "all connections are
unencrypted" or "all connections are encrypted." [5]
But I should go back to the Emacs Gopher client and add such a switch, too.
I really wanted to find the Gophernicus sources but all I found was three
or four year old sources on Github. [10]
I wanted to see whether the TLS I added to clients would work with other
Gopher servers.

Then I got distracted by the idea of having a Wiki working over Gopher and
I proposed a new "write" item which allows you to upload a file. [6]
I added that to VF-1, on a different branch. [7]
I added it to the Emacs Gopher client, too. [8]

There has been a lot of discussion of Gopher on Mastodon. [9]

[1] gopher://alexschroeder.ch:70
[2] gophers://alexschroeder.ch:7443
[3] https://github.com/kensanata/gopher.el/tree/ssl
[4] https://github.com/solderpunk/VF-1
[5] https://github.com/kensanata/VF-1/tree/ssl
[6] https://alexschroeder.ch/wiki/2017-12-30_Gopher_Wiki
[7] https://github.com/kensanata/VF-1/tree/write
[8] https://github.com/kensanata/gopher.el/tree/write
[9] e.g. https://octodon.social/tags/gopher
[10] https://github.com/prologic/gophernicus

What’s happening with gopher lately? I’m too lazy to look at the archives
so I’ll just ask :-)
As for me
 I was in prison for a while because the local customs thought I
was the biggest drug lord ever in the history of Finland - unfortunately
for them I was just a slightly alcoholic nerd coding highly suspicious “C"
projects in my free time :D. “Gopher” must have an alternative meaning,
right? Can’t be that old protocol - must have something to do with drugs,
right? :D :D :D
This is me: https://www.deepdotweb.com/2017/11/10/finnish-police-
quietly-seize-darknet-imageboard/
Also - does anyone happen to have the latest sources (git repo clone) to
Gophernicus? I had some things I needed to fix but the original sources
have been all confiscated for being part of the suspected drug ring I
apparently ran LOL OMG WTF :D
- Kim

[Mr. Leveck]

On Sat, 27 Jan 2018 17:07:36 +0100

Post by Alex Schröder
I've written a Gopher Server wrapper for Oddmuse and use it for my
personal wiki. [1]
Then I got interested in adding a TLS layer and did that, so this
should also work. [2]
I needed some clients to test it, so I added TLS to the Emacs Gopher
client. [3]
Right now this branch only does everything using TLS, there is no
switching back and forth.
I would have liked to work on that, but then I saw a new command-line
client written in Python. [4]
I added TLS to VF-1. Basically users get a switch "all connections are
unencrypted" or "all connections are encrypted." [5]
But I should go back to the Emacs Gopher client and add such a
switch, too. I really wanted to find the Gophernicus sources but all
I found was three or four year old sources on Github. [10]
I wanted to see whether the TLS I added to clients would work with
other Gopher servers.
Then I got distracted by the idea of having a Wiki working over
Gopher and I proposed a new "write" item which allows you to upload a
file. [6] I added that to VF-1, on a different branch. [7]
I added it to the Emacs Gopher client, too. [8]
There has been a lot of discussion of Gopher on Mastodon. [9]
[1] gopher://alexschroeder.ch:70
[2] gophers://alexschroeder.ch:7443
[3] https://github.com/kensanata/gopher.el/tree/ssl
[4] https://github.com/solderpunk/VF-1
[5] https://github.com/kensanata/VF-1/tree/ssl
[6] https://alexschroeder.ch/wiki/2017-12-30_Gopher_Wiki
[7] https://github.com/kensanata/VF-1/tree/write
[8] https://github.com/kensanata/gopher.el/tree/write
[9] e.g. https://octodon.social/tags/gopher
[10] https://github.com/prologic/gophernicus
On Sat, Jan 27, 2018 at 4:22 PM, Kim Holviala

Post by Kim Holviala
What’s happening with gopher lately? I’m too lazy to look at the
archives so I’ll just ask :-)
As for me… I was in prison for a while because the local customs
thought I was the biggest drug lord ever in the history of Finland
- unfortunately for them I was just a slightly alcoholic nerd
coding highly suspicious “C" projects in my free time :D. “Gopher”
must have an alternative meaning, right? Can’t be that old protocol
- must have something to do with drugs, right? :D :D :D
This is me: https://www.deepdotweb.com/2017/11/10/finnish-police-
quietly-seize-darknet-imageboard/
Also - does anyone happen to have the latest sources (git repo
clone) to Gophernicus? I had some things I needed to fix but the
original sources have been all confiscated for being part of the
suspected drug ring I apparently ran LOL OMG WTF :D
- Kim

I checked two Raspberry Pi's, and this laptop. All git clones I have of
Gophernicus have 2014 as the last entry in the ChangeLog...

[Hiltjo Posthuma]

Post by Mr. Leveck
On Sat, 27 Jan 2018 17:07:36 +0100

Post by Alex Schröder
I've written a Gopher Server wrapper for Oddmuse and use it for my
personal wiki. [1]
Then I got interested in adding a TLS layer and did that, so this
should also work. [2]
I needed some clients to test it, so I added TLS to the Emacs Gopher
client. [3]
Right now this branch only does everything using TLS, there is no
switching back and forth.
I would have liked to work on that, but then I saw a new command-line
client written in Python. [4]
I added TLS to VF-1. Basically users get a switch "all connections are
unencrypted" or "all connections are encrypted." [5]
But I should go back to the Emacs Gopher client and add such a
switch, too. I really wanted to find the Gophernicus sources but all
I found was three or four year old sources on Github. [10]
I wanted to see whether the TLS I added to clients would work with
other Gopher servers.
Then I got distracted by the idea of having a Wiki working over
Gopher and I proposed a new "write" item which allows you to upload a
file. [6] I added that to VF-1, on a different branch. [7]
I added it to the Emacs Gopher client, too. [8]
There has been a lot of discussion of Gopher on Mastodon. [9]
[1] gopher://alexschroeder.ch:70
[2] gophers://alexschroeder.ch:7443
[3] https://github.com/kensanata/gopher.el/tree/ssl
[4] https://github.com/solderpunk/VF-1
[5] https://github.com/kensanata/VF-1/tree/ssl
[6] https://alexschroeder.ch/wiki/2017-12-30_Gopher_Wiki
[7] https://github.com/kensanata/VF-1/tree/write
[8] https://github.com/kensanata/gopher.el/tree/write
[9] e.g. https://octodon.social/tags/gopher
[10] https://github.com/prologic/gophernicus
On Sat, Jan 27, 2018 at 4:22 PM, Kim Holviala

Post by Kim Holviala
What’s happening with gopher lately? I’m too lazy to look at the
archives so I’ll just ask :-)
As for me… I was in prison for a while because the local customs
thought I was the biggest drug lord ever in the history of Finland
- unfortunately for them I was just a slightly alcoholic nerd
coding highly suspicious “C" projects in my free time :D. “Gopher”
must have an alternative meaning, right? Can’t be that old protocol
- must have something to do with drugs, right? :D :D :D
This is me: https://www.deepdotweb.com/2017/11/10/finnish-police-
quietly-seize-darknet-imageboard/
Also - does anyone happen to have the latest sources (git repo
clone) to Gophernicus? I had some things I needed to fix but the
original sources have been all confiscated for being part of the
suspected drug ring I apparently ran LOL OMG WTF :D
- Kim

I checked two Raspberry Pi's, and this laptop. All git clones I have of
Gophernicus have 2014 as the last entry in the ChangeLog...
--
Nathaniel Leveck
gopher://gopher.leveck.us
https://www.leveck.us

gophernicus has many ugly non-standard extensions and last time it didn't even
compile on OpenBSD for me.

Just use geomyidae:
Git repo: git://bitreich.org/geomyidae
Project: gopher://bitreich.org/1/scm/geomyidae

[David Griffith]

What’s happening with gopher lately? I’m too lazy to look at the archives so I’ll just ask :-)
As for me
 I was in prison for a while because the local customs thought
I was the biggest drug lord ever in the history of Finland -
unfortunately for them I was just a slightly alcoholic nerd coding
highly suspicious “C" projects in my free time :D. “Gopher” must have an
alternative meaning, right? Can’t be that old protocol - must have
something to do with drugs, right? :D :D :D
https://www.deepdotweb.com/2017/11/10/finnish-police-quietly-seize-darknet-imageboard/
Also - does anyone happen to have the latest sources (git repo clone) to
Gophernicus? I had some things I needed to fix but the original sources
have been all confiscated for being part of the suspected drug ring I
apparently ran LOL OMG WTF :D

Are you serious that the Finnish authorities took down gophernicus.org
because they thought it was part of a drug ring? This needs to be
publicised. Got any more information?

Anyhow, the latest I have is a repo in which the last commit was by you on
February 6, 2017. I put it up at
https://github.com/DavidGriffith/gophernicus

[David Griffith]

Post by David Griffith

What’s happening with gopher lately? I’m too lazy to look at the archives
so I’ll just ask :-)
As for me
 I was in prison for a while because the local customs thought I
was the biggest drug lord ever in the history of Finland - unfortunately
for them I was just a slightly alcoholic nerd coding highly suspicious “C"
projects in my free time :D. “Gopher” must have an alternative meaning,
right? Can’t be that old protocol - must have something to do with drugs,
right? :D :D :D
https://www.deepdotweb.com/2017/11/10/finnish-police-quietly-seize-darknet-imageboard/
Also - does anyone happen to have the latest sources (git repo clone) to
Gophernicus? I had some things I needed to fix but the original sources
have been all confiscated for being part of the suspected drug ring I
apparently ran LOL OMG WTF :D

Are you serious that the Finnish authorities took down gophernicus.org
because they thought it was part of a drug ring? This needs to be
publicised. Got any more information?
Anyhow, the latest I have is a repo in which the last commit was by you on
February 6, 2017. I put it up at
https://github.com/DavidGriffith/gophernicus

Joyful update!!! I just now found stuff as new as June 24, 2017. My
Github repo has been updated.

[David Griffith]

Post by David Griffith
Are you serious that the Finnish authorities took down gophernicus.org
because they thought it was part of a drug ring? This needs to be
publicised. Got any more information?
Anyhow, the latest I have is a repo in which the last commit was by you on
February 6, 2017. I put it up at
https://github.com/DavidGriffith/gophernicus

Joyful update!!! I just now found stuff as new as June 24, 2017. My Github
repo has been updated.

More information: According to
https://gitlab.com/mammouth/gophernicus/commits/master, it seems that the
June 24 commit that tagged version 2.5 (which I have) is the latest that
was pushed to gophernicus.org.

[Kim Holviala]

Joyful update!!! I just now found stuff as new as June 24, 2017. My Github repo has been updated.

Thanks! Those actually might be the lastest sources, I don't think I've done anything after those changes. I'll clone it later today or tomorrow and create a proper Github repo to act as a new home for Gophernicus.



- Kim

[Hiltjo Posthuma]

Post by Kim Holviala

Joyful update!!! I just now found stuff as new as June 24, 2017. My Github repo has been updated.

Thanks! Those actually might be the lastest sources, I don't think I've done anything after those changes. I'll clone it later today or tomorrow and create a proper Github repo to act as a new home for Gophernicus.
- Kim

Why host the code on github? Github is just sourceforge 2.0. It's just waiting
until they start injecting ads in releases just like sourceforge did:
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SourceForge#Controversies
- https://www.pcworld.com/article/2930032/sourceforge-stops-ad-bundling-without-permission.html

In the spirit of gopher: just host the repos with git-daemon on some VPS or
something.

[Kim Holviala]

Are you serious that the Finnish authorities took down gophernicus.org because they thought it was part of a drug ring? This needs to be publicised. Got any more information?

Yes, and no. They took down <gary oldman voice in Leon, the professional>EEEEVERRRYYYTHIIIING!</gary> which of course included gophernicus.org, my own email domain, all of the backups and every last copy of all software I have ever created in my life.

So, the Customs (not the Police) messed up marjorly by taking down an anonymous freedom-of-speech imageboard that I ran on tor network. They messed up because they thought I was really the biggest drug lord here AND they through I'd be like the normal person who tries to hide and not talk about any accusations they get from the government.

Well.

Not only did I go out in public with name and face I'm also publishing *everything* I can - all court papers, everything that gets talked - everything. And like that wasn't enough I'm also running for parlament in the next elections which are in April 2019 :D. So while normally the police/customs don't themselves exactly care about the law and just shortcut and go around a bit too much - this time they *really* have explain everything, in public. And yes, I know it's a long shot to get to parlament but I just love the irony of it so much I'm giving it an honest try.

Also, I'm quite certain the court will accidentally declare anonymous web browsing (TorBrowser) illegal in Finland :D :D :D - and once they do I'm going to make sure that story will run all over the world. I really didn't break any laws (I was just dancing on the border and giving them finger for years) but the government cannot let me go free for the fear of losing their face so it's likely I'll get some kind of a sentence (currently I'm waiting for my day in court, free to do whatever I want meanwhile). Maximum sentence is about 10 years but I'd get a couple of years off so theoretical max is 8 years, but I'd only sit half of that for being a first-timer. No big deal - I'll just make sure everyone knows I'm a political prisoner imprisoned for defending freedom of speech :D

I really cannot lose here, and the goverment cannot win. Well, I did lost my apartment, job and about 10k€ but so far it's been worth the laughs :D

Anyhow, the latest I have is a repo in which the last commit was by you on February 6, 2017. I put it up at https://github.com/DavidGriffith/gophernicus

That's too old I think, I'm quite certain I coded something last summer (June/July '17).

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- Kim

[Kim Holviala]

Howdy,

First of all, I'm perfectly cromule.. I mean ok and just laughing about the whole thing. Normally, not in an evil scientist way :D

I don't have the sources to check - but I'm pretty sure there already exists an command line option (one of the -nX ones) that disables server-status completely. And now that you mention it - it does leak users IP addresses, it was originally meant as a debug aid but I should really just remove those lines from server-status and I will as soon as I get the latest sources and create a git repo to Github.

BTW the list software messes up Reply-To so replies go to users, not to the list - you need to do Reply All to reply to the list as well.


- Kim

Hi Kim,
Welcome back! I had no idea that happened to you. That's so scary. I'm
glad you're back out.
The most active repo for your source I've seen is on prologic's github.
I went looking for the source just last week as a matter of fact. We've
got a little thread on the bboard over at SDF.org talking about the
server-status page on Gophernicus and the fact that it leaks privacy
info publically via gopher rather than just logging that info to a file
or something. Coversation has had opinions on both sides, but right now
it's about 75% in favor of a setting to disable it, or lock it down. I
was going to try and fork and see if I could solve that for you with a
pull request, but then I couldn't find the source or you. There's still
an email lost in the ether on its way to your old email address.
Regardless, welcome back and good luck with everything.
- Tomasino

Post by Kim Holviala
What’s happening with gopher lately? I’m too lazy to look at the archives so I’ll just ask :-)
As for me… I was in prison for a while because the local customs thought I was the biggest drug lord ever in the history of Finland - unfortunately for them I was just a slightly alcoholic nerd coding highly suspicious “C" projects in my free time :D. “Gopher” must have an alternative meaning, right? Can’t be that old protocol - must have something to do with drugs, right? :D :D :D
This is me: https://www.deepdotweb.com/2017/11/10/finnish-police-quietly-seize-darknet-imageboard/
Also - does anyone happen to have the latest sources (git repo clone) to Gophernicus? I had some things I needed to fix but the original sources have been all confiscated for being part of the suspected drug ring I apparently ran LOL OMG WTF :D
- Kim