Who is [e-mail]?

[Nuno Silva]

Lately (in the last couple months, perhaps), every time I send an e-mail
to this list, the message is successfully sent to the list and I get my
own copy from the list. But I also get a message from a Microsoft
(outlook.com) mail server, complaining that "my" message to
***@legacy.ventures has been rejected.

It further claims that 40.92.3.27 "isn't allowed" to send e-mails from
@ist.utl.pt. But that's not me, that's an ip address assigned to
Microsoft.

Is anybody else getting this? Is anybody here ***@legacy.ventures?

[Kim Holviala]

Post by Nuno Silva
I also get a message from a Microsoft
(outlook.com) mail server, complaining that "my" message to

I think everyone is getting those. It's probably some email forwarder somewhere because I don't think it's possible to subscribe with a fake email address.


- Kim

[Zachary Lee Andrews]

Post by Nuno Silva
Lately (in the last couple months, perhaps), every time I send an e-mail
to this list, the message is successfully sent to the list and I get my
own copy from the list. But I also get a message from a Microsoft
(outlook.com) mail server, complaining that "my" message to
It further claims that 40.92.3.27 "isn't allowed" to send e-mails from
@ist.utl.pt. But that's not me, that's an ip address assigned to
Microsoft.
--
Nuno Silva

I keep getting it claiming that ***@outlook.com does not like me. Good,
I don't like them either. =)

Cheers,
Zach

[David Woodfall]

Post by Nuno Silva
Lately (in the last couple months, perhaps), every time I send an e-mail
to this list, the message is successfully sent to the list and I get my
own copy from the list. But I also get a message from a Microsoft
(outlook.com) mail server, complaining that "my" message to
It further claims that 40.92.3.27 "isn't allowed" to send e-mails from
@ist.utl.pt. But that's not me, that's an ip address assigned to
Microsoft.
--
Nuno Silva

Yeah, we have been getting that too. Someone is using MS mail (Lord
knows why) and it's some misconfigured MS nonsense no doubt.

At least it's not quite as bad as those people who go on holiday and
set an autoresponder that goes to everyone on the list every time
someone posts.

[Delfi Ramirez]

hi Nuno, hi all:

not here,

no notice of 49.92.3.27 , neither Portugal has been received in this
email account.

cheers.

Post by Nuno Silva
Lately (in the last couple months, perhaps), every time I send an e-mail
to this list, the message is successfully sent to the list and I get my
own copy from the list. But I also get a message from a Microsoft
(outlook.com) mail server, complaining that "my" message to
It further claims that 40.92.3.27 "isn't allowed" to send e-mails from
@ist.utl.pt. But that's not me, that's an ip address assigned to
Microsoft.

[Christoph Lohmann]

Greetings.

Post by Nuno Silva
Lately (in the last couple months, perhaps), every time I send an e-mail
to this list, the message is successfully sent to the list and I get my
own copy from the list. But I also get a message from a Microsoft
(outlook.com) mail server, complaining that "my" message to
It further claims that 40.92.3.27 "isn't allowed" to send e-mails from
@ist.utl.pt. But that's not me, that's an ip address assigned to
Microsoft.

I get those e‐mails too. It is some outlook.com account. I do not con‐
sider Microsoft developers to be competent enough to understand e‐mail
at all. The MIME their software produces is nearly always invalid, they
are not able to properly configure spam control and use some insecure
operating system with no source code available so I could send them
patches.

The only solution is to block »@outlook.com« everywhere. They deserve
it.


Sincerely,

Christoph Lohmann

[Nuno Silva]

Post by Christoph Lohmann
Greetings.

Post by Nuno Silva
Lately (in the last couple months, perhaps), every time I send an e-mail
to this list, the message is successfully sent to the list and I get my
own copy from the list. But I also get a message from a Microsoft
(outlook.com) mail server, complaining that "my" message to
It further claims that 40.92.3.27 "isn't allowed" to send e-mails from
@ist.utl.pt. But that's not me, that's an ip address assigned to
Microsoft.

I get those e???mails too. It is some outlook.com account. I do not con???
sider Microsoft developers to be competent enough to understand e???mail
at all. The MIME their software produces is nearly always invalid, they
are not able to properly configure spam control and use some insecure
operating system with no source code available so I could send them
patches.
it.

... and here comes another one... yeah, I should see if I can block
those.

Is there any chance we can get the debian mailing list administrators to
look into this?

[barana .]

-Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.(QNX)
  Original Message  
From: Nuno Silva
Sent: Wednesday, 21 March 2018 04:48

Post by Christoph Lohmann
Greetings.

Post by Nuno Silva
Lately (in the last couple months, perhaps), every time I send an e-mail
to this list, the message is successfully sent to the list and I get my
own copy from the list. But I also get a message from a Microsoft
(outlook.com) mail server, complaining that "my" message to
It further claims that 40.92.3.27 "isn't allowed" to send e-mails from
@ist.utl.pt. But that's not me, that's an ip address assigned to
Microsoft.

I get those e???mails too. It is some outlook.com account. I do not con???
sider Microsoft developers to be competent enough to understand e???mail
at all. The MIME their software produces is nearly always invalid, they
are not able to properly configure spam control and use some insecure
operating system with no source code available so I could send them
patches.
it.

... and here comes another one... yeah, I should see if I can block
those.

Is there any chance we can get the debian mailing list administrators to
look into this?

--
Nuno Silva

Tho having a Hotmail address would make me mildly suspicious...???I'm innocent, addi

[Matt Owen]

The MX records for legacy.ventures are:

legacy.ventures MX preference = 0, mail exchanger = smtp.secureserver.net
legacy.ventures MX preference = 10, mail exchanger = mailstore1.secureserver.net

According to WHOIS, 'secureserver.net' belongs to GoDaddy. There is also a Webmail interface on: https://sso.secureserver.net/?app=email&realm=pass

..and as previously discussed;

Address: 40.92.3.27
Name: mail-oln040092003027.outbound.protection.outlook.com

So, what we have here is:

1. Posts are sent to the list
2. List sends post to all subscribers
3. SOMEONE who is using outlook.com (but not necessarily having a @outlook.com email address, it could be @hotmail.com, or a personal domain etc.), has set their mails to be forwarded to '***@legacy.ventures'.
4. The MTA at smtp.secureserver.net is refusing the email, because quite rightly, outlook.com (40.92.3.27) is not an authoritative sender for *our* email addresses.

I'm guessing, that smtp.secureserver.net, is reverse checking the From: address in the email headers, which in the case of this list, is the actual sender, not the list-address. Further guessing, this is GoDaddy enforcing strong anti-spam techniques.

Crazy idea... but has anyone actually emailed '***@legacy.ventures' directly, and asked them to fix their forwarder?

-Matt (Jaruzel)

-----Original Message-----
From: barana . <***@hotmail.com>
Sent: 20 March 2018 22:39
To: Nuno Silva <***@ist.utl.pt>; gopher-***@other.debian.org
Subject: Re: Who is ***@legacy.ventures?



-Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.(QNX)
  Original Message
From: Nuno Silva
Sent: Wednesday, 21 March 2018 04:48

Post by Christoph Lohmann
Greetings.

Post by Nuno Silva
Lately (in the last couple months, perhaps), every time I send an
e-mail to this list, the message is successfully sent to the list
and I get my own copy from the list. But I also get a message from a
Microsoft
(outlook.com) mail server, complaining that "my" message to
It further claims that 40.92.3.27 "isn't allowed" to send e-mails
to Microsoft.

I get those e???mails too. It is some outlook.com account. I do not con???
sider Microsoft developers to be competent enough to understand
e???mail at all. The MIME their software produces is nearly always
invalid, they are not able to properly configure spam control and use
some insecure operating system with no source code available so I
could send them patches.
it.

... and here comes another one... yeah, I should see if I can block those.

Is there any chance we can get the debian mailing list administrators to look into this?

[Nuno Silva]

Post by Matt Owen

Post by Christoph Lohmann

Post by Nuno Silva
Lately (in the last couple months, perhaps), every time I send
an e-mail to this list, the message is successfully sent to
the list and I get my own copy from the list. But I also get a
message from a Microsoft (outlook.com) mail server,
been rejected.
It further claims that 40.92.3.27 "isn't allowed" to send
address assigned to Microsoft.
Is anybody else getting this? Is anybody here

I get those e???mails too. It is some outlook.com account. I do
not con??? sider Microsoft developers to be competent enough to
understand e???mail at all. The MIME their software produces is
nearly always invalid, they are not able to properly configure
spam control and use some insecure operating system with no
source code available so I could send them patches.

[...]

Post by Matt Owen
legacy.ventures MX preference = 0, mail exchanger = smtp.secureserver.net
legacy.ventures MX preference = 10, mail exchanger = mailstore1.secureserver.net
According to WHOIS, 'secureserver.net' belongs to GoDaddy. There is also a Webmail interface on: https://sso.secureserver.net/?app=email&realm=pass
..and as previously discussed;
Address: 40.92.3.27
Name: mail-oln040092003027.outbound.protection.outlook.com
1. Posts are sent to the list
2. List sends post to all subscribers
4. The MTA at smtp.secureserver.net is refusing the email, because quite rightly, outlook.com (40.92.3.27) is not an authoritative sender for *our* email addresses.
I'm guessing, that smtp.secureserver.net, is reverse checking the
From: address in the email headers, which in the case of this list, is
the actual sender, not the list-address. Further guessing, this is
GoDaddy enforcing strong anti-spam techniques.

Several things are most likely broken. I don't believe this is the right
field to check in this occasion. Perhaps the forwarder stripped too many
headers. The address to blame may be ***@outlook.com (the
failure messages include "Resent-From: <***@outlook.com>,
...").

Post by Matt Owen
directly, and asked them to fix their forwarder?

I wonder if the forwarder that needs to be fixed is located in One
Microsoft Way...